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8a 8elate na svisete tis ashimes stigmes apo tin mnimi sas?
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Simera katevasa kai eida to Oldboy. Esto kai me halia kai asyghronistous ipotitlous katafera na katalavo ti ginetai sto ergo.

Tha statho akrivos stin teleftaia skini, opou o protagonistis prospathontas na ftasei stin katharsi, prosfevgei se mia ipnotistria gia na tou svisei tis mnimes aftes pou tou tiranousan tin psyhi.

Mporei na vriskei tin "litrosi" omos peftei se mia ipouli pagida :

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"Aftoi pou den mporoun na thimithoun to parelthon einai katadikasmenoi na to epanalamvanoun"


Etsi o protagonistis mporei na epanalavei to idio sfalma tou kai en agnoia tou pali na xanaeroteftei tin kori tou.

Eseis tha thelate na svisete apo tin mnimi sas osa sas vasanizoun?(eite me ipnotismo, eite me to mihanima apo to men in black, eite me opoiondipote allo tropo)

Pistevete oti i lithi mporei na einai litrosi?

I pistevete oti gia na elegxeis to mellon tha prepei na kateheis to parelthon?


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gia na elegxeis to mellon tha prepei na kateheis to parelthon


Katarxas: ayta einai topics! Kai apsogh h aformh :wink: Ws tainia me pio afierwmenh 8ematologia se ayto pou les Pantelh 8a proteina epishs to Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind, opou oi kentrikoi hrwes exoun svhsei tis mnhmes apo th sxesh tous.

Apo ta la8h mas ma8ainoume. Aytos o genikos kanonas isxyei panta telika. An den gnwrizeis ti exeis kanei = ta la8h sou kai ta swsta, 8a eisai anagkasmenos na epanalambanesai synexws. Kai oso gia ta swsta profanws den yparxei problhma profanws, oso afora ta sfalmata omws den mas boh8aei. "Ghraskw aei didaskomenos" kat' antistoixia.

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pantelh ontws gamato topic!alla den nomizw oti aksizei na svisei kaneis tis kakes stigmes, poly apla opws eipes giati, tha tis epanalavei an oxi tis idies kapoies alles.makari sth zwh ola ta pramata na htan omorfa.kai omws aftoi pou pernane synexeia kala variountai.den noiwthoun pote dynatoi.

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Apo ola kati ma8aineis, ayth einai h gnwmh mou. Den yparxei kapoia toso kakh anamnhsh (opws thn ennoeis me to paradeigma tou Oldboy - opou o typos eixe "symmetoxh" sto olo skhniko pou ektylix8hke) pou na epi8ymw na sbhsw apo th mnhmh mou. Alla kai na yphrxe, mallon kalytero 8a htan na mhn to kanw... Etsi, gia na 8ymizei to ti egine kai na mhn to epanalabw.

Ena allo 8ema einai an 8eleis na sbhseis mia kakh anamnhsh thn opoia den exeis prokalesei esy me kapoia pra3h sou!!! Allo 8ema omws ayto!

To paradeigma me to Oldboy einai ligo akraio, einai h alh8eia... alla poly petyxhmeno!



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ksexasate to eternal sunshine of a spotless mind.

me tipota.

an esbhne h mnhmh mou , este kai epilektika gia sygkekrimenes mnhmes,
tha ginomoun allos anthrwpos.
den eimaste mono o,ti zoume twra.
eimaste kai o,ti zhsame mexri ta twra.

protimw na ponesw gia kati pou gnwrizw prwth fora,

bebaia, an ksexaseis auto pou se ponese, meta tha ponas pali gia prwth fora.
poio to ofelos omws??
mhpws kai erthoun alliws ta pragmata????

de kserw.

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den mporw na dektw oti ii8i einai litrwsi ka8e allo

gia na ftaseis ston e3agnusmo 8a prepei na peraseis apo tin suneiditopoiisi twn pra3ewn sou

episis den mporw na dektw oti mporeis na eleg3eis to mellon 8umasai den 8umasai ta "la8i tou parel8ontos"


exw metaniwsei gia arketes epiloges mou alla mesa apo autos egina kai sunexizw na ginomai auto pou eimai. kai pisw na pigaina pali ta idia 8a ekana


i zwi einai ena a8roisma stigmwn eite kalwn eite kakwn, an sbisw kati apo auta ti zwi 8a einai auti telika? monotoni , aposteirwmeni kai sigoura oxi diki mou...

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apo tis asximes empeiries tou parelthontos mathenoume kai apoktoume empeiries etsi oste na diaxeiristoume me kalitero tropo katastaseis pou mpouroun na prokipsoun sto mellon.se orimazoun kata kapoion tropo.ama sviseis oles tis asximes empeiries tou parelthontos,tha epanaleveis ta idia lathi giati den tha exeis tin empeiria gia na diaxeiristeis aftin tin katastasi pio orima.ta osa exeis zisei apoteloun ton odigo gia tin metepeita zoi sou.pos skeftesai,pos apofasizeis,pos simperiferesai ktl.apo opoiadipote empeiria kaki i kali mathaineis pragmata.afto einai to mono sigouro.opote den tha thela na svistei kammia asximi empeiria pou eixa sto parelthon

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exw metaniwsei gia arketes epiloges mou alla mesa apo autos egina kai sunexizw na ginomai auto pou eimai. kai pisw na pigaina pali ta idia 8a ekana

E ama phgaines pisw kai ekanes ta idia, ayto shmainei oti den exeis metaniwsei :wink: kai nomizw pws genika DEN prepei na metaniwnoume gia o,ti kanoume :P !



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ama sviseis oles tis asximes empeiries tou parelthontos,tha epanaleveis ta idia lathi giati den tha exeis tin empeiria gia na diaxeiristeis aftin tin katastasi pio orima.ta osa exeis zisei apoteloun ton odigo gia tin metepeita zoi sou.pos skeftesai,pos apofasizeis,pos simperiferesai ktl.apo opoiadipote empeiria kaki i kali mathaineis pragmata.afto einai to mono sigouro.

Nomizw pws me bash to paradeigma pou efere o Pantelhs, den anaferetai toso poly sthn apofygh twn la8wn (giati ousiastika sto Oldboy o typos den ekane ena la8os pou na dikaiologei thn timwria pou eisepra3e), alla sth diagrafh anamnhsewn. Oi kakes anamnhseis den proerxontai aparaithta apo dika mas la8h, etsi? Px, ama se xtypousane oi goneis sou otan hsoun mikros, de fereis kamia ey8ynh, alla koubalas poly asxhmes anamnhseis.

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Αποψη μου ειναι οτι θυμομαστε ή μη το παρελθον, στο μελλον θα ξαναβρεθουμε σε παρομοιες καταστασεις. Η κακες αναμνησεις, μπορουν να χρησημοποιηθουν σαν εφοδια για την σωστη αντιμετωπιση αυτων των καταστασεων? Μπορουν να χρησιμοποιθουν ωστε να εχουμε μεγαλυτερο ποσοστο συμμετοχης στον καθορισμο του μελλοντος μας, ή θα ηταν καλυτερα να τις ξεχασουμε και να κρατησουμε τις θετικες αναμνησεις μονο?

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ΥΓ. Οσοι δεν εχουν δει το oldboy θα χρειαστουν σιγουρα mind eraser αφου αποκαλειψα σημαντικη λεπτομερια του εργου :P
Το Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind δεν το εχω δει...

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Η κακες αναμνησεις, μπορουν να χρησημοποιηθουν σαν εφοδια για την σωστη αντιμετωπιση αυτων των καταστασεων? Μπορουν να χρησιμοποιθουν ωστε να εχουμε μεγαλυτερο ποσοστο συμμετοχης στον καθορισμο του μελλοντος μας, ή θα ηταν καλυτερα να τις ξεχασουμε και να κρατησουμε τις θετικες αναμνησεις μονο?


8a pw ena aplo paradeigma: Ta mwrakia (alla kai ta ypoloipa zwakia) aplwnoun to xeri, aggizoun th fwtia kai kaigontai. Thn epomenh fora pou 8a kaoun 8a exoun ypopsh tous thn odynhrh ekeinh anamnhsh kai 8a to skeftoun dyo fores prin to kanoun.

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Το Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind δεν το εχω δει...


Des to. Arketa pio an8rwpino kai "fysiologiko' to 8ema ths apo tou Oldboy, o erwtas einai edw se prwto plano, o Jim Carrey dinei allo ena resital ermhneias (kai h Kate Winslet mou egine poly pio sympa8hs :flower: )...Des to!

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duskolh erwthsh. polles fores isws to euxomai,alla ama ginotan isws na mhn to ithela. san ton jim carrey to idio pragma. apla genikws san epilogh isws th xrisimopoiousa se periptwseis pou pia einai dedomeno oti de mpories na allakseis kati,kai to mono pou sou prosferei na thimasai einai ponos. genikws se periptwseis pou de mporeis na kseperaseis pragmata kalo tha htane na ypirxe h epilogh estw. to an tha to ekana einai terastio thema.


ps:to Eternal Sunshine,opoios den to exei dei akoma mhn thn paizei,einai h kalyterh tainia ever

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telika to na kanoume post me quote apotelei pleon tin suni8eia pou egine latreia :lol: :lol:

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telika to na kanoume post me quote apotelei pleon tin suni8eia pou egine latreia :lol: :lol:
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Gia na parei to credit to swsto atomo :green:

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Simfonoume oloi ap'oti vlepo. :lol:

Apla AN ipirxe i epilogi, den ksero kata poso tha itan eukolo na min min mpeis ston peirasmo na to kaneis. Eidika otan eisai teleios skata, lioma, ena me to xoma kai ola auta ta oraia.


ps)Opoios den exei dei to Eternal Sunshine exei kanei megali malakia. Entaksei, den einai kai i kaliteri tainia ever, alla spernei parauta.

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Αν και δεν ξέρω πως ακριβώς λειτουργεί το ανθρώπινο μυαλό, η Σοφία μπορεί να με διαψεύσει ή συμπληρώσει, θα σταθώ στο ρητό : "Ο χρόνος είναι ο καλύτερος γιατρός". Γιατί όμως; Μήπως οι άσχημες στιγμές περνάνε σε άλλο μέρος του μυαλού μας; Μήπως κατά κάποιο τρόπο τις "ξεχνάμε"; Γιατί τα πράγματα όταν δεν είναι νωπά στην μνήμη μας δεν μας τυραννούν τόσο; Τελικά η λήθη είναι η αληθινή λύτρωση;

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παρά να μείνουν θέλανε στη γης τώ Λωτοφάγων


Φυσικά και οι άσχημες στιγμές μπορούν να ανακληθούν ανά πάσα στιγμή, αλλά πέρα από το διδακτικό τους χαρακτήρα, αν τις σβήναμε τελείως, δεν θα ήταν η ζωή πιο ωραία χωρίς τις ψυχοφθόρες τύψεις, χωρίς να σε κυνηγούν οι Ερινύες ή να τις κυνηγάς εσύ εάν είσαι άνθρωπος ερωτευμένος με την θλίψη και τα πάθη σου;

ΥΓ Κατέβασα το Eternal Sunshine αλλά πρώτα θα δω το Λιβάδι που Δακρύζει του Θόδωρα Αγγελόπουλου


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δεν θα ήταν η ζωή πιο ωραία χωρίς τις ψυχοφθόρες τύψεις, χωρίς να σε κυνηγούν οι Ερινύες ή να τις κυνηγάς εσύ εάν είσαι άνθρωπος ερωτευμένος με την θλίψη και τα πάθη σου;

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Akribws auto. Oi empeiries mas exoun shmasia, eite einai 8aumasies, kales, kakes, katastrofikes. Mas diamorfwnoun san an8rwpous kai xarakthres, mas atsalwnoun gia to mellon. O ponos einai to idio polytimos symmaxos me thn agaph kai thn eutuxia. Kai o kosmos panw ap'ola einai isorropia. Den mporei na yparxei drash xwris antidrash, den mporei na yparxei eytyxia xwris pono, agaph xwris misos. Oi empeiries kai oi anamnhseis mas mas orizoun, mas dinoun ypostash, mas deixnoun to dromo gia to mellon mas.
Oso ki an kapote-kapote h tabula rasa fainetai apisteuta elkystikh, den mporeis pote na 3ereis poios eisai kai giati kaneis kati, h pws 8a antidraseis se mia dedomenh katastash ean den exeis prohgoumenes empeiries pou se exoun dida3ei. Den mporeis na 3ereis an 8a antidras me ton idio tropo ka8e fora.

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