How much extreme in music can we still get? " - an interview with Anneke van Giersbergen
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9 PM approaches slowly, I'm already waiting by the phone. Guess who's gonna call me in a moment - Anneke van Giersbergen! If someone told me so, let's say, two years ago, I'd consider this person nuts. But anyway, it all went quite interesting througout these two years - the official website status, good contacts with the band and the distributor... And now, here I am - waiting for that phone to ring. Hmm. There it is! *rrrrringggg* And that familiar voice saying "Hi, this is Anneke from The Gathering"... here we go!
[I skip the "hi" and "how are you" part of the beginning
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un.holy - You guys have played many gigs so far... Say, Anneke, are you already tired of touring or still excited?
Anneke van Giersbergen: - Well, we did a lot of shows already and now we're enjoying a little break, but we are excited to tour soon in more countries, in Poland. It's really nice. [...Sadly, my recording machine fails here and a small part of Anneke's answer disappear in nothingness... damn!...] We're very glad to come back to Poland, we have very, very good memories of playing there!
- Indeed, only this time it will be four gigs! Any surprises that you plan for us?
- Yes and no, because we will bring good music and fun for the people and I guess many will be surprised with new tunes from "Souvenirs". But no, we do not plan any special events, like multimedia or weird instruments. Or fireworks! [laughs]
Part one: Souvenirs
- People here keep on asking about the term "trip-rock", which you have invented somehow... Can you explain this word a little more? What kind of music does it describe?
- Our music! "Trip-rock" is one of the names you can name a genre that we make and play. And its's quite difficult to grasp this style, because it has a lot of influences. So, for us "trip-rock" is a nice word - our music is trippy, as you can have a trip on it, you can have a journey in the music It's kind of deep. But it's also trippy in formal meaning... rhythm-wise, groovy-wise. And then rock - it's rock music, you have guitars and drums. But... it's so difficult to name it, you can also say "dark pop music" or "soft rock music"! It's so difficult but we had to name it somehow, because people always ask...
Although you shouldn't take it too seriously - naming the genre. If people are curious about the term "trip-rock", I hope they will go and check it out. And then after listening, they will know - "I think it's trip-rock, I think it's not". I mean, I do, but if they say it's not trip-rock, it's okay, you know!
- ...I keep on repeating- "well, buy new The Gathering and then you will know a little bit more about trip-rock!"...
- Exactly! [laughs]
- And how many songs didn't make it to the "Souvenirs" album? Except for the "Zion", which is already famous...
- ...yeah, already mythical, I know! [laughs] Well, I think we wrote 20 pieces... of which 10 pieces came on the album and then some pieces came on "Black Light District". So, there are a few songs which were already finished, but we didn't use them. There are definitely some nice things we recorded, but they don't really fit the atmosphere of the album. We will probably put them out on the next album and then play a little bit more with them... Or we can also use them for the B-sides, stuff like that. But we have a lot of material left.
- That's a good thing to hear! But there you mention B-sides... any plans for another EP, perhaps?
- Not yet, not our own EP, we're gonna just do some singles for the "Souvenirs" album. We can use these unused songs on B-sides there, or so.
- Speaking of EPs... the mystical and mysterious number 36 on the cover of BLD - what is the meaning of this number?!
- It's actually... well, the pictures are taken from a movie, a short movie. And it's a propaganda movie, something actually not so very good... But there are beautiful pictures taken from it. And then this "36" is the frame number of the particular picture from the movie. I know that some stories have been going around already, but it's just a frame number!
- Interesting! But... next four questions will be more likely about yourself.
Part two: Anneke
- "Souvenirs" ends with a hypnotic duet with Trickster G. I suppose you have liked this cooperation, but do you really like this form of singing - the duets?
- As long as it's in good taste, I like it! I really like second voice, two voices in the music, male and female voices together, so I was very, very happy that Trickster wanted to sing on one of our songs. He has one of the most beautiful male voices that I've ever heard. So, we're particularly proud of this song.
- I agree it's an outstanding one and I'm deeply in love with Ulver lately...
- ...good, good! [laughs]
- ...but this is not the end of my question about the duets, because if you do like duets, then... who else would you love to sing a duet with...? Let's say you can choose from anyone living...
- Thom Yorke.
- ...haaa, I expected that! [laughs]
- Yes, yes... my all-time favorite [laughs]
- Okay, another question from your beloved fans in here! Is there any chance of hearing Anneke singing a song in Dutch?
- In Dutch? Ooh, but it's an ugly language! [laughs] I know there's a few singers in Holland singing very well [in Dutch] and make lyrics very well. They write very beautiful in Dutch, but there's only a few people who can do it! And I am not one of them, because I sound silly when I sing in Dutch.
- I guess I understand what you mean, Polish language doesn't sound well in rock music either. It's another language that just doesn't fit in the right way. English is most likely perfect for rock music, right?
- ...I think so... I actually think that Polish language is very, very nice if you hear it just like that. But it's a harsh-sounding language, like German or Dutch, and it's very difficult to make it sound wavy and beautiful in music. I'm sure there are people who write good lyrics and who are able to do it just like some do in Dutch, but it's a tough job!
- And when it comes to writing a song lyrics... do you have any particular way of working on it, I mean... does it happen often that you write it all at once, or you rather walk around it, let's say, for some time, until it's finished? How much time does it take you?
- Well, it works both ways. Sometimes you wake up and write down a whole bunch of lyrics in five minutes and sometimes you reeeeally have to sit down and think about it, write four papers and in the end there are four lines which are good... All these things work, 'cause all songs are different, all moods are different - so you need a different approach.
- I know that Frank Zappa is one of your favorite musicians. He's been a really big eccentric... Do you follow such eccenstricism and avant-garde in music also nowadays? Some crazy projects, perhaps Mike Patton's and stuff?
- Not really, I have to say. I admire Frank Zappa very much, because he was a genius mind. I love his music, but... in the most eccentric parts... well, I like to listen to them and try to analyze them, but of course it doesn't really listen to easily. The things I love the most from Frank Zappa are the serious songs... Of course I am interested in his person and his genius, therefore I'm a big fan. And no, it's not to say that I do follow new eccentric music... not particularily.
Part three: the future
- Apart from the hypnotic and wonderful music of "How To Measure A Planet?", people always mention lyrics from that album - outer space, astronauts, astronomy stuff - as something very attractive. Is there any chance seeing The Gathering come back to such astronomy-concerning lyrics in the future?
- I don't know if we're gonna do that again, because we feel we already did it... On the other hand, we - especially the boys - are so interested in outer space and all these things that go on out there... Probably it's gonna be maybe a song, or two or four about this subject, definitely. But I don't know if the whole concept album again...
- Many bands nowadays try to implement visual art into their music, by adding big screens, big projectors and playing on them all kinds of trippy videos or pictures that follow the songs. Tiamat did that some time ago, also Tool, NIN, and Godspeed You Black Emperor - do you consider such visual additions to the gigs in the future?
- Yes, definitely, we've been thinking about this already! We have some kind of concept about it, but we have started our own little label and we put all the money that we had in the CDs, so we don't really have enough cash for these things yet. But we are definitely going to use this in our next tour or something like that, because we think such visual aid is very helpful. Makes a 3D show from a live show.
- And then... according to you, what is the future of rock and future of all music? Where will it lead us...?
- Well, it's indeed a very difficult question... Of course I don't know the answer, but what I do think is that music will never, ever ever die. I think it was the first invention of mankind and it will be the last thing that will go with mankind when it dies out. It's a thing we need, a thing which shows our moods and which can make us happy, make us sad - that kind of stuff, you know.
It inspires human life - dancing, moving to rythm... I think without music, we wouldn't have a certain degree of joy or comfort in our lives. But in what form will be the future? It's so difficult to say! It changes all the time.
In the near future, I think, a little bit heavier music is going to become more mainstream... I think people will go towards extreme and then maybe in a few years time, or maybe next 10 to 50 years, it will calm down again. People may want some peace and quiet again, some beautiful melodic music maybe... I have a feeling that now it's all about speed and aggression, like Slipknot... I mean - how much extreme in music can we still get? That's what I ask myself!
- Maybe we shall hit the brakes, as the lyrics of "Rollercoaster" say...
- Yes, that's also something we are dealing with... Nowadays there's some people who can't really catch up with their lives... myself as well... Everything is going so fast, and human brain and fuctions don't even catch up anymore... There's a lot of suicides because people just can't handle... You have to be fast enough, to have a good career, a good boyfriend/girlfriend and everything should be just perfect - but what if YOU are not perfect? It's also like that in music. In the old-time days, like Mozart days, common beat per minute was your own heartbeat rythm.That was the rythm of music. Now it's going faster, faster, faster and I think at one point we will have to stop, because human body will not be able to take it anymore...
- Hmm... you got me thinking about that now. And I am glad that The Gathering kind of evades being a part of this so-called "rat race". This world lives horribly fast, which leads us to nowhere or to chaos...
- ...indeed, but the funny thing is that we're in the rat race, because we're in music business - which is all about looking good, being on TV and all that stuff... It's a bit of funny contradition. We do show up on television and on the radio sometimes - 'cause we have released the single and of course we want people to buy it, as we live from our music - but we don't do every show that we're asked for, you know. We'd rather stick to quality and "longer" instead of "very fast"!
- Well, thank you a lot for all the answers, Anneke, that's about it for the interview, I guess! Thanks again.
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