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Kapou tethike to terastio thema ... ths thriskeias..
Poia h apopsi sas...tha mporousame na ta leme gia wres,to xerw,alla...

Prosopika dexomai apo ton xristianismo,auta pou vriskw swsta.
Den mplekw me to poios dhmiourghse ton kosmo,an htan "parthena" h Maria,an yparxei o SATAN ktl ktl.
TA parapanw den me endiaferoun...
Pisteuw .... stous kalous anthrwpous!
Auto einai kai to nohma twn thriskeiwn kata thn gnwmh mou.Na kratoun tous anthrwpous se mia taxi.
Gi'auto kai me endiaferei poli perissotero an feromai swsta stous allous para an exasa thn kyriakatiki leitourgia h' an den nistepsa to pasxa...
Auta apo mena...h synexeia diki sas...

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Mia paraklhsh protou e3elix8ei to topic: allo a8rhskos ki allo a8eos :wink: .
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Mia paraklhsh protou e3elix8ei to topic: allo a8rhskos ki allo a8eos :wink: .


Gia synexise...

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To thema einai na perneis apo to katheti afto pou se kanei kalitero anthropo.Oi thriskeies den iparxoun gia na se kanoun kalitero anthropo otan sou lene na skotoseis tous allothriskous gia na kerdiseis mia thesi ston paradeiso px.Oi thriskeies iparxoun gia na ikanopoiisoun (kai na ekmetalleutoun polles fores) tin anagki tou anthrwpou sto na epikoinwnisei me kati anwtero pou tha tou dosei elpida...
Omws oles oi thriskeies exoun kai thetika minimata,pera apo tis apeires mparoufes pou ipostirizoun,kai kalo einai na perneis auta pou theoreis esi oti einai thetika gia sena.To an exeis pisti einai episis diaforetiko pragma kai kakws sindedemeno me tin thriskeia.Ego pisteuo oti einai anagki tou anthropou,i pisti,se oli tin istoria tis iparksis,parolo pou egw gia paradeigma distixws den tin exo :flower:
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Merikes fores pisteuw thn apopsi oti..Yparxei theos alla mas exei afhsei sthn isixia mas...
Alliws noiwthw poli mikros gia na katanohsw oti ta paidakia eprepe na pethanoun :-?

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Merikes fores pisteuw thn apopsi oti..Yparxei theos alla mas exei afhsei sthn isixia mas...
Alliws noiwthw poli mikros gia na katanohsw oti ta paidakia eprepe na pethanoun :-?

Syn A8hna kai xeira kinei, to legane apo thn arxiothta ayto!
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Den mplekw me to poios dhmiourghse ton kosmo,an htan "parthena" h Maria,an yparxei o SATAN ktl ktl.

Pou na mple3eis kai m' ayta!! Ayta einai ta wraia re sy!!! Pisteyw pws aytes oi syzhthseis ginontai kalytera dia zwshs, alla 8a prospa8hsw ki etsi :D :D :D :D :D !!!!!!
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IMO den exei sxesh o Xristianismos san idea me thn organwmenh Xristianikh ekklhsia pou kyriarxei shmera ston "politismeno" kosmo (eite or8odo3h, eite ka8olikh, eite protestantkh, eite den 3erw ti allo). H rwmaioka8olikh ekklhsia einai ypey8ynh gia ta megalytera egklhmata enantion ths an8rwpothtas sth diarkeia ths istorias. Mexri kai ton 20o aiwna, o Pappas ta eixe kanei plakakia me ton Hitler, giati..etsi synefere. Opote gia mena ti8etai 8ema aytou tou diaxwrismou. Milwntas gia Xristianismo, den ennow se kamia periptwsh olo ayto to systhma pou sth diarkeia olwn twn aiwnwn htan to organo twn politikwn me "orama" gia na eleg3oun kai na ekfobisoun opoion eixe diko tou myalo kai "tolmouse" na skeftei apo monos tou. Ta megalytera myala tou mesaiwna phgan apo thn Iera E3etash.. O Xristianismos 3ekinhse san kati entelws diaforetiko kai oudetero politika, afou sth diarkeia ths Rwmaikhs Aytokratorias ton 1o aiwna, to na einai kapoios Xristianos htan parapanw apo arketos logos gia na ton ri3oun sta liontaria. Kati entelws antidhmofiles alla kai eirhnofilo. Den yparxei peroptwsh na eixan sxesh ekeinoi oi Xristianoi me aytous pou ekanan stayrofories aiwnes meta..
Ayta pros to paron, h wra twra mono gia skepsh den einai katallhlh (5.25 :P ), alla edw eimaste kai 8a ta leme..

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Entaxei oi hristianoi den eitan kai toso athooi opos perigrafetai se ola ta hristianika keimena kai stis tainies tou holywood.To antitheto malista,dimioiurgousan apo proti stigmi provlimata stin aftokratoria (ohi oti einai kako afto),eitan missanthropoi kai eihan annalothei ston prosilitismo kirios ginaikon.Enas antikeimenikos istorikos einai pleon sigouros oti den ekapse tin romi o neronas,alla oi fillirinistes xroistiannoi...

Alla kai o hristianismos san idea den paei kala, afou mas lene oti o monos dromos einai i sotiria. Apo ti? Apo ton kosmo pou dimiourgise o idios o theos (satanades,amartia klt - "Ta panta dia aftou egeneto"),diladi apo ton idio ton theo.Afti einai mia shizofreniki antimetopoisi tis zois,pou proilthe apo shizofreneis ravinous kai sindiastike me alla metagenestera shizofrenika miala me apotelesma na ftasoume sto hali pou o kosmos mas ehei tora

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eimai xristianos orthodo3os alla me poly xalaro tropo(paw ekklhsia spania,nhsteuw mono megalh vdomada).Dhladh thewrw oti einai apo tis pio eleutheres thrhskeies kai apo tis ligotero perioristikes kai san ideologia einai poly sympathis.Epishs yparxoun papades kai kalogeroi pou einai e3airetikoi anthrwpoi, de dexomai dhladh oti oloi einai skata.

Den exw kamia elpida gia paradeiso, pantws. :green:

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Pantou iparhoun kaloi anthropoi.I orthodoxia den einai anoikti thriskeia.Apla gia na min hathoun ta $ iparhei simvivasmos mias kai i pliopsifia ton ellinon einai airetikoi (antilamvanontai diaforetika to theo)

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egw pistevw pws o kathenas ta leei opws ton volevei. alloimono an perimena na mathw gia thn thriskeia opws perigrafontai se tainies tou Hollywood h' alles paremfereis..
eimai xristianh orthodoksh, pistevw ston theo, polles fores tou apeythinomai kai omws niwthw enoxes (opws polloi allwste) pou ton thimamai kyriws otan xreiazomai voitheia. den einai kako na to paradextw..
oso gia th nhsteia, panta h mhtera mou (sto nhsi ths ta kratousane auta) mas emathe na nisteyoume alla siga siga spasame thn aysthrothta dioti oloi douleyoume opote den tha mporoume na kratithoume xwris ladi gia meres... eksallou panta hmoun ths gnwmhs oti ta "ekserxomena" einai auta pou metrane kai oxi ta "eiserxomena". ennow, ti na to kanw pou den tha faw kreas, h' ladi h' tyri kai meta tha paw kai tha kathgorhsw kapoion, h' tha vrisw h' tha yponomeysw...
episis den thelw na koinwnhsw sta typika (xristougenna - pasxa - dekapentaugoustos) an den niwsw kala me ton eauto mou...
me neyriazei pou otan paw sthn ekklhsia, kata th diarkeia ths leitourgias ginetai xamos (gia na mhn pw gia tous gamous pou o papas diakoptei to mysthrio pampolles fores), polloi mpainoun kai sizitane ta provlimata tous kai akomh xeirotera sxoliazoun tous pantes, kyriws apo gries pou tha koutsompolepsoun.
tharrw pws xreiazetai na exoume semnothta otan mpainoume sthn ekklhsia, ta eksalla rouxa kai ta vapsimata einai apwthitika, eidika otan pas na filiseis eikona kai deis ta shmadia apo kragion, gia mena deixnei aseveia.

thriskeia gia mena einai h agaph anamesa stous anthrwpous, h kalosynh kai o sevasmos. kserw oti kapou ekei panw vrisketai o theos o opoios mas vlepei, einai pateras mas alla mas afhnei na exoume tis prwtovoulies mas, sigoura o,ti ginetai einai gia kalo, kai o ponos einai mesa sth zwh, kai h adikia kai h kakia. alliws den tha mporousame na ektimhsoume to kalo kai th dikaiosynh...

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IMO den exei sxesh o Xristianismos san idea me thn organwmenh Xristianikh ekklhsia pou kyriarxei shmera ston "politismeno" kosmo (eite or8odo3h, eite ka8olikh, eite protestantkh, eite den 3erw ti allo). H rwmaioka8olikh ekklhsia einai ypey8ynh gia ta megalytera egklhmata enantion ths an8rwpothtas sth diarkeia ths istorias. Mexri kai ton 20o aiwna, o Pappas ta eixe kanei plakakia me ton Hitler, giati..etsi synefere. Opote gia mena ti8etai 8ema aytou tou diaxwrismou. Milwntas gia Xristianismo, den ennow se kamia periptwsh olo ayto to systhma pou sth diarkeia olwn twn aiwnwn htan to organo twn politikwn me "orama" gia na eleg3oun kai na ekfobisoun opoion eixe diko tou myalo kai "tolmouse" na skeftei apo monos tou. Ta megalytera myala tou mesaiwna phgan apo thn Iera E3etash.. O Xristianismos 3ekinhse san kati entelws diaforetiko kai oudetero politika, afou sth diarkeia ths Rwmaikhs Aytokratorias ton 1o aiwna, to na einai kapoios Xristianos htan parapanw apo arketos logos gia na ton ri3oun sta liontaria. Kati entelws antidhmofiles alla kai eirhnofilo. Den yparxei peroptwsh na eixan sxesh ekeinoi oi Xristianoi me aytous pou ekanan stayrofories aiwnes meta..
Ayta pros to paron, h wra twra mono gia skepsh den einai katallhlh (5.25 :P ), alla edw eimaste kai 8a ta leme..


Ola ta parapanw pou eipes de nomizw na aforoun Or8odo3ous :P !


Nomizw oti h Or8odo3ia einai ontws poly eley8erh kai mh perioristikh 8rhskeia, akribws opws to eipe ki o Vaggelhs. Egw eimai sxedon sigouros oti o 8eos yparxei (afhnw kai ena poly mikro pososto gia to anti8eto...) kai pisteyw oti h or8oterh ekfrash tou (h alh8inh, dhladh) einai h Or8odo3ia.
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Epishs, den mporw na katalabw pws sto diaolo enas an8rwpos 18, 21 h' 24 xronwn einai teleiws sigouros oti o 8eos den yparxei. Edw re paidia epi 2000+ xronia den exoun sigoureytei toooooosoi kai tosoi, eseis sigoureythkate se 2-3 xronia? :P :P
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Mporei na mh sigoureuthkame gia auto, alla toulaxiston sigoureuthkame oti ta ierateia pernane kala kai o laos kakopernaei....

"...we 're the first ones to starve, the first one to dies, the first ones in line for the pie in the sky and we're always the last when the cream is shared out, for the worker is working for the fat cat's about..."

An htan swstoi de 8a trwgontousan gia ta lefta kai thn e3ousia kai auto emena me kanei sigouro OTI toulaxistion autoi me koroideuoun

"O 8eos einai to monadiko on sto sumpan pou gia na vasilepsei den exei kan thn anagkh na uparxei" - Mpwntlair...

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allo a8rhskos ki allo a8eos :wink: .
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Ola ta parapanw pou eipes de nomizw na aforoun Or8odo3ous :P !


Nomizw oti h Or8odo3ia einai ontws poly eley8erh kai mh perioristikh 8rhskeia, akribws opws to eipe ki o Vaggelhs. Egw eimai sxedon sigouros oti o 8eos yparxei (afhnw kai ena poly mikro pososto gia to anti8eto...) kai pisteyw oti h or8oterh ekfrash tou (h alh8inh, dhladh) einai h Or8odo3ia.


O mesaionismos xekinise apo tous byzntinous kai protergatis o megas ierarhis xrisostomos...

Den mporoume na leme oti othoteri ekfrasi tou hristianismou einai i orthodoxia (iso orthoteri se shesi me tis alles,alla ohi orthi os pros meros ton didaskalion tis vivlou) giati epivlithike se eidololatres kai klironomise stoixeia ton paganistikon thriskion opos i eidololatria kai o politheismos.Mono kai mono i iparxi ekklisiastikon eikonon einai o orismos tis eidololatreias.Paratheto oti oi mousoulmanoi den ehoun eikones tou moameth (malista fanatikoi mousoulmanoi oute kan tolmoun na koitahtoun ston kathreftoi) & oti kata tin periodo tis eikonomahias sto vyzantio oi araves eihan exorgistei me tin frenitida ton vyzantinon shetika me tis eikones

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Pantelh, auto h8ela na pw....eimai sigoura a8rhskos, alla kai a8eos dioti den pisteuw se kapoia anwterh dunamh pou mas elegxei 'h pou estw mas dhmiourghse.....giati meta 8a prepei na pistepsw oti auth einai h anwterh kai oxi kapoia allh h opoia th dhmiourghse kai an pame etsi..giati na mhn eimaste emeis h anwterh dunamh...? :wink:

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Den mporoume na leme oti othoteri ekfrasi tou hristianismou einai i orthodoxia (iso orthoteri se shesi me tis alles,alla ohi orthi os pros meros ton didaskalion tis vivlou) giati epivlithike se eidololatres kai klironomise stoixeia ton paganistikon thriskion opos i eidololatria kai o politheismos.Mono kai mono i iparxi ekklisiastikon eikonon einai o orismos tis eidololatreias.Paratheto oti oi mousoulmanoi den ehoun eikones tou moameth (malista fanatikoi mousoulmanoi oute kan tolmoun na koitahtoun ston kathreftoi) & oti kata tin periodo tis eikonomahias sto vyzantio oi araves eihan exorgistei me tin frenitida ton vyzantinon shetika me tis eikones


1) Den eipa oti h Or8odo3ia einai h or8oterh ekfrash tou xristianismou, alla tou 8eou.
2) Ti akribws ennoeis oti "klironomise stoixeia ton paganistikon thriskion opos o politheismos"?
2) Exei sxesh h eikonomaxia (kai oi polemoi sto onoma ths 8rhskeias, kai, kai, kai...) me thn ypar3h tou 8eou?

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