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PostPosted: 14 Jun 2004, 06:56 
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Pairnontas aformh to topic tou Spyrou eipa na ksekinisv ayto to topic.Kata poso dhl tha prepei ena ellhniko rock group na exei ellhnikous h agglikous stixous.Paliotera prin dhl oi Trypes gnvrisoun emporikh epityxia h ervthsh htan akadimaikh afou etsi kai allivs liges ekatontades atoma akolouthousan ta ellinika groups.Tvra pleon ta pragmata einai diaforetika.
Oi Trypes ta Spathia kai ta Krina apedeiksan oti to ellhnofono rock exei emporikh dynamh kai mporei na sygkinisei ena megalo meros tou koinou sthn xvra mas.An ta group ayta eixan agglikous stixous posoi tha ta hkseran?Tha phgainate stis synaylies tous?pisteyv pvs,gia tous perissoterous, oxi.Sthn dekaetia tou 80 hphrxe ena gamato ellhniko group oi South Of No North pou eixan tis idies panv katv epirves me ta Krina(mexri kai Poe eixan melopoihsei) evgalan 3 apsoga albums kai dielysan afou gnvrisan thn adiaforia tou koinou.An evgenan liga xronia meta kai eixan ellhniko stixo tha mporousan na ginoun diasimoi.Tvra exoun ginei cult alla too little too late.O logos pou polla groups eksakolouthoun na exoun aggliko stixo einai profanos oti theloun/elpizoun na ginoun gnostoi eksv.
Alla posoi ellhnes mporoun na tragoudisoun/ekfrastoun svsta sta agglika?Kai na mhn kanoun tous ksenous na gelane me thn gnvsth "ellinikos" profora?To monadiko pou mporv na skefto poy htan apsogo se ola htan oi Last Drive.Alla akoma kai aytoi apla ena cult onoma ekanan eksv(oi monoi mazi me tous Socrates)
En telei aksizei ton kopo gia ena elliniko group na akolouthei ton aggliko stixo apo thn stigmh pou me ton ellhniko exei poly perissoteres pithanothtes na ginei gnvsto kai na agaphthei sthn Ellada estv kai an ayto shmainei oti vevaia mono se ellhnes tha einai gnvsto(ante kai stous Ellhnes tou Eksvterikou).Giati apo thn stigmh pou dialegeis ton ellhniko stixo se rock aytomata ksekatharizeis oti"mono me thn Ellhnikh agora tha asxolitho"

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to prwto pragma pou tha anaferw einai oti otan ena ellhniko group h' kapoios ellhnas kallitexnhs thelei na kanei diethni kariera anagkastika tha exei ksenous stixous. gia na ginetai katanohtos eksallou. ayto vevaia den einai apolyto gia tis alles xwres. gia paradeigma, h Kari tragoudise norvhgika, o Eros Ramazzoti pote den exei tragoudhsei agglika (mono se kapoia dueta me Tina Turner kai ton allon... ton ksexasa twra.. :oops: :oops: ) kai para polloi alloi apo asiatikes gia paradeigma xwra pou den yiothethsan to koino katesthmeno.. pantws gia tous ellhnes h allagh glwssas einai APARAITHTH, den exw katalavei omws apolyta to giati..

to deytero pragma pou mou irthe sto myalo diavazontas ton titlo tou topic htan tote sthn Eurovision to 2001 me tous Antique ti eixe ginei pou gia prwth fora xrhsimopoiithike o agglikos stixos se ellhniko tragoudi toso episima. thimaste ta ametrhta thleoptika parathira, mexri se diadhlwseis eixame ftasei.... fasaria na ginetai diladi... twra omws mia xara e? o sakis, h monadikh ellhnikh leksh pou arthrwse htan sto telos (thn wra pou karaxtypiotane), ekeino to "HELLAS" pou "a nai vre" einai diethhs leksh auth... :green: :green: :green:

twra, san proswpikh apopsh apo ta ksena tragoudia den moy kathontai kala tragoudia me diaforetikes (apo agglika ennow) glwsses opws px germanika h' rwsika (eixa akousei apo tatoo ena kommati)... ta gallika pane ki erxontai, ta italika ok m'aresoun giati kserw opote katalavainw ti lene. akomh kai h kari pou m'aresei poly san fwnh otan akousa ta prwta ths album me norvhgiko stixo xalasthka ligo, ki ektote akouw mono ta mesmerised kai pilot..

gia na katalhksw, to kathe group as kanei o,ti katalavainei arkei na to ekfrazei.. alla oxi swnei kai kala na exei kseno stixo etsi gia moda... giati apo tetoia exoume dei polla, egw liga ki eseis poly perissotera! :-?

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den nomizv oti o agglikos stixos einai thema modas...apla einai gia 2 logous
1.To group elpizei gia dinatotita karieras eksv
2.epeidei to group den pisteyei oti sthn mousikh tou tairiazei o ellinikos stixos

Ta germanika norvigika rvsika einai "traxies" glvsses antitheta ta ellinika exoun melodikotita.
Sthn(1):Edv den ta kataferan oi Socrates kai oi Last Drive-pou htan bandares oxi asteia ti na leme...oso gia to (2) Krina Trypes klp apedeiksan oti mporei na gynei o syndiasmos.
Ayto pou thelv na pv einai oti gia ena ellhniko group to na epimenei ston aggliko stixo mou fainetai mataioponia ektos pia kai an exei apsogo tragoudisth(opvs kai manager).Epimenontas sta agglika xanei thn dynatotita na kanei kariera edv kai kataligei...pou? :-?

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h sthn meta thanaton anagnvrhsh sthn kalyterh periptvsh :-? Exoume kai tetoies periptvseis sto Ellada.

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Ok re paidia, symfwnw en merei, alla mhn eimaste kai toso apolytoi.. Ellhnikoi stixoi mporoun na ypar3oun se rock kai pop formes, alla an paroume pio akraies morfes?
Milaw kai san an8rwpos mesa sta pragmata, afou eimai melos bandas... Emeis px paizoume kati se rock n'roll me epirroes Entombed...pws na xwname dhladh ellhnikous stixous se ayto to pragma? Na ginomastan dhladh ena pragma typou Antidrash, pou, gia mena kai sorry an prosballw kanenan, einai toulaxiston asteioi se epipedo ais8htikhs? 'H tosa ellhnika group pou paizoun metal (se opoiodhpote parakladi tou), pws 8a sas fainotan an tragoudousan sta ellhnika? Oi Septic Flesh? Oi Nightfall? Oi Rotting Christ? Oi Swan Christy? Oi Violet Vortex? Oi (pio dikoi mas) National Pornographic? Oi Agnes Vein? Kai tosoi alloi pou de mou'rxontai giati exw psiloparathsei thn ellhnikh skhnh? Ena sygkrothma 8ymamai pou epaize metal me ellhniko stixo kai mou erxontai oute kan gelia alla klammata...oi E3oristoi. Ayta einai grafikothtes kata th gnwmh mou.
Sto katw-katw, den einai h anagnwrish kai h emporikh epityxia to arxiko kinhtro pisw apo th dhmiourgia mias bandas. Proswpika de mou kaigetai karfi gi'ayto. Mou arkei na exw to xrono kai tous (elaxistous) porous na paizw th mousikh pou goustarw kai apo kei kai pera, an goustarei kai kapoios allos (estw enas 'h dyo) 8a goustarw akoma pio poly. Sigoura h kariera entos Elladas einai kati adynato, alla..poios to khnygaei ayto? Kai h die8nhs kariera einai kati to akoma pio apiasto, alla...to 3eroume poly kala oloi oti apo pleyras mousikhs eimaste oloi se la8os xwra.. Gia des tous Souhdous pou labainoun oloi mousikh paideia apo to sxoleio ti foberh posothta me arketh poiothta paragoun! Sthn Pswrokwstaina apaitountai alla pragmata, opws xronos, xrhma, afierwsh 100% s'ayto pou kaneis, proswpikes 8ysies oi opoies einai enantia sto ellhniko katesthmeno (px ante, twra pou teleiwses apo fantaros, na breis mia kalh douleia kai meta mia kalh kopela na pantreyteis, na gineis xrhsimo melos sthn konwnia), kai, panw'ap'ola, TYXH, enas tonos gamhmenh TYXH (na apokthseis kala conne, na se yposthri3oun klp klp). Etsi einai ta pragmata, mas aresoun 'h oxi...
Opote, kat'eme to 8ema arxika exei na kanei me to eidos ths mousikhs pou epilegeis kai goustareis na paizeis. Apo kei kai pera, kalh h fash me Xylina kai Trypes (ki emena mou aresoun), alla, sorry re paidia, to mono me to opoio den th briskw einai na elkyw 15xrona me th mousikh mou. Eimai ligo pswnismenos kai thn exw dei intellectual, pws na to kanoume :P
Ayta pros to paron, kai shmeiwteon, me kalh dia8esh kai xwris na 8elw na 8i3w kanenan.

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Touis Eksoristous tous thimamai kala :P Katis ti atomo kai ayto...
To metal sigoura diskola tairiazei me ta ellhnika.Den exv akousei kanena na to kanei svsta.Antitheta ta punk group tvn '80s pou eixan elliniko stixo mou aresan(Ex-Humans,Genia Tou Xaous).ta vinilia aytvn tvn group exoun ypsiles times shmera pou shmainei oti arketoi pisteyoun oti htan petiximena.Tespa den anaferomai se group pou apla kanoun to kefi tous kai tpt allo alla se osous exoun vlepseis na kanoun kati stathero.Kai me agglika kati tetoio einai sxedon adynato-that was my point.Kai to oti Trypes/Spathia eginan dymofilh sthn apantaxou pitsirikaria den ftaine aytoi nomizv.Kai kalytera na akoune ayta ta 15 xrona para tis mlks pou akougane prin ayta ta group ginoun gnvsta.Otan hmoun 14-15 sta telh tvn'80s phgaina stis synaylies tvn Trypvn-pou tvte htan akomh agnvstoi-kai goustara polh :P Aksexastes anamnhseis.

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Tespa den anaferomai se group pou apla kanoun to kefi tous kai tpt allo alla se osous exoun vlepseis na kanoun kati stathero.

Edw bebaia anoigoume allo 8ema.. An mesw ths mousikhs o aytoskopos einai na ta piaseis kai na gineis diashmos..e tote 8a phgaina na ginw melos twn De Facto na me diafhmizei to Alter :P
De 8elw na fanw apolytos, alla h apopsh sto sygkerimeno 8ema exei na kanei me to ti sxesh exei o ka8enas me th mousikh. Den einai kakh h fhmh (to anti8eto malista, sou dinei thn eykairia na akousteis apo perissotero kosmo kai kata synepeia thn eyxereia na synexiseis na asxoleisai me th mousikh akoma pio poly), alla briskw la8os to na 3ekinaei kapoios me tetoia dedomena. Px oi Gathering eixan tetoies blepseis 'h fantazontan thn aphxhsh pou exoun twra, otan ebgazan to Mandylion?? :wink:

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Nai sthn mousikh o "epaggelmatias" einai ousiastika o erasitexnhs autos pou kanei to kefi tou.H diafora einai sto na mporeis na "aytoxrimatodoths" thn mousikh sou dhl na mhn xreiazetai na kaneis mia allh douleia gia na ta vgaleis pera.An eisai ypallhlos h ydraylikos kai h moushkh einai aplvs to hobby sou einai kalh fash alla to "output"sou tha einai periorismeno-pou xronos/energeia gia synaylies hxografiseis klp.H Anneke to exei pei arketes fores se synenteykseis"an paizeis kalh/honest mousikh,aythn pou esy aisthanesai,panta tha yparksei koino pou tha thn ektimhsei kai tha se vohthisei na synexiseis na to kaneis" dhl xvris na xreiazetai na kaneis kai kapoia asxeth doulia gia na zhseis.Kai h Psychohaut ayton ton skopo exei.

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[/quote]Ena sygkrothma 8ymamai pou epaize metal me ellhniko stixo kai mou erxontai oute kan gelia alla klammata...oi E3oristoi.[/quote]

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Emena pantws oi Eksoristoi synexizoun akoma na apoteloun mia prwths taksews lysh opote exw tis mavres mou,poly gelio!
8ymamai kai tis ekpompes tou Kath sthn Et-2 kai meta sto Telecity pou edeixne kai live tou sygkrothmatos:-)
Exw kai to instrumental pou eixe vgalei:-)

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An eisai ypallhlos h ydraylikos kai h moushkh einai aplvs to hobby sou einai kalh fash alla to "output"sou tha einai periorismeno-pou xronos/energeia gia synaylies hxografiseis klp.H Anneke to exei pei arketes fores se synenteykseis"an paizeis kalh/honest mousikh,aythn pou esy aisthanesai,panta tha yparksei koino pou tha thn ektimhsei kai tha se vohthisei na synexiseis na to kaneis" dhl xvris na xreiazetai na kaneis kai kapoia asxeth doulia gia na zhseis.Kai h Psychohaut ayton ton skopo exei.

De 8a mporousa na symfwnhsw perissotero mazi sou. Kai s'ayto to shmeio epanerxomaste s'ayto pou eixa 8i3ei prohgoumenws, peri ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas. Se kati Ollandies, Souhdies klp. exeis megalyterh eyxereia, akoma kai en8arrynsh, na khnyghseis tis mousikes sou blepseis. Edw, mono to strato na anaferoume, einai kanonikh triklopodia se oles tis neoidry8eises ellhnikes bandes. Xwria th synexeia, epaggelmatikh abebaiothta klp... Ti na leme, afou ta zoume. De mou ka8etai ena kalo stoixhma 'h ena joker kiolas, na deis pou 8a tous grapsw olous! :green:

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www.demetrioskatis.com Ola ta lefta!!!

Oti eixe kai site ayto to atomo den to h3era! Einai 8eos re :lol:

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h foto einai foverh se styl trellou episthmona :lol:
Kai mias kai milame gia thiteia skepsou oti sta '80s h diarkeia htan diplasia :o fovero paketo gia ta group tote.

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Tin exo ksanapei tin gnomi mou gia ton elliniko stixo.Den mou kathetai kala.Asteioi mou fainontai oi exoristoi,asteioi kai oi antidrasi...
Theoi omos oi Kokallo,etsi Mathaie? :wink:

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E ok, yparxoun kai oi e3aireseis :wink:
Otan mia banda einai cult apo th dhmiourgia ths kiolas, apla proskynas! :D

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Bro oi dixasmenes ali8eies pou einai ellinostixo hardcore pws sou fainontaI?kai genikotera rwtaw opoion tous kserei...


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Dixasmenes alitheies nai ...
Mesthn gkademia...exw na kanw ena review gia to cd twn Olethrio Rigma
Einai athlioooooooo...den xerw pws tha glitwsoun to thapsimo
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Me Dixasmenes Alh8eies eixame pai3ei mazi live prin 3 xronia.. Poly kalh fash ontws, kai an kai pistsirikades, fainetai oti exoun blepseis efoson exoun kai manager mazi tous sta live! O ellhnikos stixos aytos-ka8aytos me xalaei ligo (den eipa oti den exw ta kollhmata mou :P ), alla san synolo einai poly kaloi. Elpizw na akoustoune perissotero sto mellon

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